Arthur Kemp, a South African Nordicist/White Supremacist has recently responded to the criticism of his tract “March of the Titans: the History of the White Race” by this author with a slanderous mix of lies and misinformation. Of course, nothing less could be expected from the self-proclaimed historian of the White Race.
Kemp has spent a significant amount of time preparing his “refutation.” He has his reasons for it, because he cannot afford critique of his money-making enterprise of historical revisionism. I will eventually address all his “points” in this space. In the interim, I advise the reader to look at the extensive evidence gathered in Racial Type of the Ancient Hellenes.
This site does not engage in debate with Kemp. Anyone who has followed my writings over a long period of time knows that I do not harbor any bad feelings for any ethnic group, only at those who wish to misrepresent the history of my country to prove the superiority of their particular racial or ethnic group. I am honored that Afrocentrics and Nordicists like Kemp wish to associate with Greece, to live with “borrowed glory,” but unfortunately for them, they will not be allowed to do so.
Lie #1: Kemp asserts that I believe that "North Africans and Southern Europeans are the same race."
Incorrect. I believe that they share some common ancestry, due to the Neolithization process which was carried out by Mediterraneans from the Near East. I also believe that if one goes from Spain to Morocco in a clockwise fashion along the Mediterranean coast, there is no point in which one can say “race A” has ended, and “race B” has began. If Kemp knows of this mysterious point, he is encouraged to share it with us. The signature of the Neolithic diffusion has been detected in maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (primarily haplogroup J) and paternally inherited Y-chromosomes (haplogroup HG9) . The anthropologically Mediterranean character of the first farming communities is well-known [3, 10, 11, 14]. Additionally, circum-Mediterranean populations have frequently evolved along parallel lines due to living in similar environments, far away from the cold north or the tropical equatorial regions. Finally, contrary to what Kemp believes, physical anthropologists who believe in the concept of race routinely classify non-European Caucasoids and European Caucasoids as part of the same, Caucasoid race [3, 4, 5] and this is also clearly visible in terms of their genetic variation [12, 13, 15].
Lie #2: Kemp asserts that I believe that "race-mixing does not destroy races."
My own post, quoted by Kemp clearly establishes what I believe. I believe that when two races blend, then if one is numerically superior to the other, then it absorbs it and what is produced is a slightly altered race, which maintains all the features of the numerically superior race. As an example, Sweden has absorbed Alpine elements through the years, but continues to be primarily a Nordic nation; many Near Eastern and north African countries have absorbed 2-10% of non-Caucasoid elements, but they continue to be primarily Caucasoid.
Of course, if the two elements are numerically comparable, then intermediate types are created, and I cite the example of India, where an intermediate race, the Indic race was created by the blending of Caucasoids with native Indian populations. Simple enough to understand, unless one tends to think like Kemp.
Lie #3: Kemp alleges that I believe that “race-mixing is actually a good thing and has very positive effects”
Again, my post is enough answer to Kemp’s ramblings. (i) Hybrid vigor, through the process of heterosis is a well-understood biological effect. Any student of biology knows this. (ii) When I say that “reduction of both races’ adaptations in the composite population.” I am obviously pointing out a negative aspect of race mixture. And when I say that “A second effect is that all the adaptations of the aboriginal population become less prominent in the genetic makeup of the mixed population. As an example, if a tall race of hunters mixes with a short race, then the population will lose some of its “height” adaptation that makes it effective hunters. Hence, in this case race mixture has caused some “harm” in the population’s adaptability to its environment.,” I am also pointing out a negative aspect of race mixture. When I claim that “In some cases, like the Early Helladic population of Greece, the heterogeneous subracial elements fused to form a successful population (the Greeks) and the effects of effective fusion were visible in an increase in general health and vigor. In other cases fusion failed, e.g., due to the maladaptation of Native Americans to the presence of disease for which Europeans were well-adapted. ,” I have the sources [6, 7] to back up my claim. Kemp doesn’t.Lie #4: Kemp asserts that I “insult Northern Europeans by calling them unintelligent, but above all bellicose and cruel and the original White Egyptians are dismissed as lovers of money, conniving and untrustworthy.”
Nothing much to say on this one. I am simply relating ancient Greek concepts of barbarians, as can be readily seen from my post. The Ancient Greeks did believe that they represented the Golden Mean as a people and pointed out the differences between themselves and barbarians (=non-Greeks), both northern and southern. Anyone can read up for themselves, Greek descriptions of barbarians; they are part of literature - we can’t change them. If someone takes objection with the way barbarians were thought of by the Ancient Greeks, I can’t do anything about it.Lie #5: Kemp claims that I believe that: “if all of the races in the world were mixed together, a “Mediterranean” would result!”
Again, my post is enough answer, but I will go into some detail. First of all, I begin by bringing to attention the computer-based “face averaging” research. “Computer-based face averaging” does not equal race mixing. Scientists have found that people tend to think of computer-averaged faces as beautiful . I ask a research question: “How would an average face for mankind look like?”. Then, I proceed to show that it would be closer to Mediterraneans, than e.g., the more exotic Nordics or Negroids who are far from the mean. Being close to the mean, does not imply being “racially mixed” as Kemp understands it. Of course, Kemp has his reasons for claiming that brunet Southern Europeans are racially mixed and that the original Mediterraneans are extinct! He wants to view Southern Europeans as the product of mixture between whites and blacks, while it is the case that Southern Europeans are not racially mixed. Rather, they occupy an intermediate position in terms of appearance, because they evolved far from environmental extremes, i.e., the cold north and the hot tropical regions.Lie #6: Kemp claims that I “insults Greeks, calling them “not mainstream Europe” and says he is not worried about “swarthy” race-mixing taking place with White Greeks.”
Kemp’s advocacy for Greeks would be admirable, if it were not malignant. Certainly, I am proud not to consider Greeks as “mainstream Europe.” We Greeks don’t want to be "mainstream,” we are happy being Greeks - nothing more, and nothing else. We are happy being Orthodox Christians, and not Catholics/Protestants. We are happy to be a “brotherless nation" (ethnos anadelphon), we do not want to be a part of any mainstream defined by others. We are happy to partake in Western civilization, which itself is rooted in Hellas, but we are also happy that 95% of us objected to the bombing of Serbia, when the mainstream Europeans supported it wholeheartedly.
As for the “not worried about swarthy race-mixing,” I certainly am not. It is certainly a problem if it is “too much in too little time.” In the long run, some mixing always occurs; it is inevitable. I certainly do not advocate fascist laws prohibiting Greeks from marrying whoever they want. But, the real reason why I am not worried about it is that I know my countrymen, the Greeks. They have never and will never compromise their racial identity. Not because we hate other races, but because we love our own. Maybe Kemp, and his South African countrymen have bitter experience of race mixing, and maybe interracial marriage is a problem for non-Greek white societies, but it is not a problem for us. Greeks rarely marry non-whites, so, yes, I am not worried too much! I am worried about the disappearance of other people of European origin whose attitudes to race/culture mixing are much more liberal than our own.
Lie #7: Kemp accuses me of disowning a blonde Greek girl
Of course not! I have even put a blonde Greek girl in my page detailing Kemp’s various lies and bloopers, and more recently in my Gallery of Modern Greeks. The Greek girl in question, said to me “It makes me wonder about my racial origins, am I truly Greek?” I merely pointed out to her that most Greeks from Pontus, where she is from were brachycephalic and brunet , and so perhaps her ancestors may have been originally from a different Greek city: “Some light might be thrown into your particular origins if you know whether your ancestors were farmers or urban people. Trapezous was an urban center to which people from other parts of the Greek-speaking world often came. Perhaps your ancestors migrated to Pontos from somewhere else. There were quite a few light-eyed, light-brown individuals in Ionia and around Smyrna.” It really befits Kemp to turn a simple discussion between two Greeks into a racial contest. Greeks don’t have such issues among ourselves, and Kemp can’t force us to have such issues.
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Arthur Kemp writes:
3. Euripides and Hair Dying
Pontikos alleges that March of the Titans somehow misquotes Euripides in the passage where he describes how hair could be dyed blond. Pontikos however admits that the passage "speaks disparagingly of Athenian women for dyeing their hair blonde" but omits to add that he says how they do it, which was precisely what March of the Titans originally said.
In addition, Pontikos has brazenly lied when he stated that "Euripides speaks disparagingly of Athenian women for dyeing their hair blonde."
The EXACT OPPOSITE is true. Euripides (Fragment 322), states that Eros (the god of love), LOVES those women that dye their hair blonde (xanthismata).
Pontikos has therefore inverting this passage’s TRUE meaning, to serve his own anti-White Nationalist agenda.
The only wrong thing about my interpretation was the wording. I was quoting from memory, and confused the Euripides fragment with that of Menander (4th c. BC), who also speaks against hair dyeing:
tên gunaika gar tên sôphron’ ou dei tas trichas xanthas poiein.Still, truth is again not kind to Arthur Kemp. Because, Euripides does speak disparagingly about hair dyeing. It is Eros, the Greek god of sexual desire that loves hair dyeing, not Euripides. How does Euripides feel about Eros?
the wise women must not make her hair blond (Menander Comic., Fragmenta (Kock). Fragment 610 line 2.)
Su d’ ô kakiste pantôn theôn te k’anthrôpôn ErôsEros loves hair dyeing, but, in the Fragment that Kemp cites:
You, Eros, worst of all gods and men
Erôs gar argon k’api tois argois ephu. philei katoptra kai komês xanthismata, pheugei de mochthous.
Eros is idle, and was born from idlers. It loves mirrors and dyeing hair blond, but avoids efforts.
So, it is quite clear that Euripides does speak disparagingly about hair dyeing. Kemp is perhaps confusing the Cupid of modern Valentine’s day celebrations with the primordial, often sinister, force which Eros was for the Ancient Greeks.
If readers want to find out more about Eros, I recommend Bruce S. Thornton, “Eros : the myth of ancient Greek sexuality,” Westview Press, Boulder, Colorado, 1997, which also discusses extensively the role of Eros in Euripides’ plays.
Arthur Kemp writes:
Whoops! Pontikos should polish up his knowledge of Ancient Greek. He says that Hercules’ eyes are said to be "hupocharopon". Charopon means blue-eyed, not "mixed-eyed", as Pontikos claims!
According to Henry G. Liddell and Robert Scott, in their "Greek-English Lexicon", the word "charopos" means "bluish-grey-eyed". Link here, to the Lexicon article explaining the translation:
Dictionary reading skills are essential for anyone trying to teach me my mother tongue. The reader can verify that according to Liddell-Scott-Jones charopon:
of one of the chief eye-colours in men and animals, perh. bluish-grey, distd. fr. melas, glaukos, and aigôpos
Thus, charopos is perhaps bluish-grey and it is distinguished from other Greek terms for eye color (melas, glaukos, and aigôpos). It is not certain what charopos actually means, but we do know that: glaukos is usually given the meaning of blueish-grey, and it is unlikely that the Greek authors would distinguish between these two colors, if they meant exactly the same thing.
Irrespective of what charopos actually means, Kemp forgets that Dicaearchus describes Hercules’ eyes as hupocharopon. As it is well-known hupo implies a reduction in quality, and thus, hupocharopon is not actually charopon. It is translated (Dicaearchus of Messana : text, translation, and discussion / William Fortenbaugh, Eckart Schütrumpf, editors New Brunswick, N.J. : Transaction Pub., 2001) as "somewhat bright-eyed". My own translation of “mixed-eyed” conveys the meaning of an intermediate shade perfectly.
In any case, what is Arthur Kemp trying to prove? We know that Hercules was melanan (=dark) according to Dicaearchus, also that he was grupon (=hook-nosed), while he was also proverbially melampugos (=having a black behind), a sign of courage (Archilochus Eleg. et Iamb., Fragmenta. Fragment 178), had a dark-eyed mother, Alcmena and was depicted in early Greek art as:
Arthur Kemp writes:
Pontikos writes: “Mycenae is the name of a city in the Peloponnese, not of imaginary Indo-Europeans. The inhabitants of the city were called Mykenaioi, usually transcribed in English as Mycenaeans.”
THE TRUTH: This is, unsurprisingly, utterly incorrect. The Mycenae were not just the inhabitants of a single city, as Pontikos’ ignorance would have it.
I really should not be going into this much trouble correcting Kemp’s mistakes. Has he ever heard the notion of an editor? Not only does he not say “thank you,” but he is accusing me of lying.
As I said, “Mycenae” is the name of a city in the Peloponnese, not of a people. Today, its acropolis is most of what remains of it (Perseus Entry on Mycenae:
Physical Description:Also, from the Genealogical Guide to Greek Mythology
Located ca. half-way between Corinth and Argos and controlling the natural pass from the Isthmus to the Peloponnese, Mycenae was a citadel palace that included extensive fortifications, granaries, guardrooms, shrines and a few private dwellings situated around the palace complex. The palace consisted of a central megaron meeting hall, throne room and courtyard with adjacent private quarters, storerooms, guard stations and administrative rooms. Outside the Lion Gate and massive walls of the citadel are found the private houses, workshops, public works and other features of the dispersed settlement and the tholos tombs of the ruling clans.
Description: Mycenae, on a naturally defensible hill with a commanding view and plentiful nearby fresh water, was first occupied in the Neolithic period. Habitation continued throughout the Early and Middle Helladic periods and the first palace complex was probably built at the beginning of the Late Helladic period.
In the Late Helladic IIIA period the fortifications probably followed the natural boundary of the hilltop. In Late Helladic IIIB the circuit was enlarged to the S and W, and toward the end of Late Helladic IIIB an E extension to the citadel was added with a sally port and access to an underground water supply. It was at this time that the great Lion Gate was also constructed. The citadel and palace of Mycenae were destroyed at the end of the Late Helladic IIIB, although some occupation continued at the site during the Late Helladic IIIC period.
In the Geometric period only a few small houses occupied the summit of the hill. In the Archaic period a temple was built on the summit. During the Persian Wars Mycenae sent a small force to fight at Thermopylae and Plataea. In 468 B.C. Argos destroyed the acropolis at Mycenae and the city later came under direct Argive control. As a deme of Argos the acropolis was rebuilt and fortification walls were built around the lower town. The site continued to be inhabited until the end of the 3rd century A.D.
Mycenae is a city in Argolis north of Argos. According to tradition, Mycenae was founded by Perseus 1 when, after having delivered Andromeda, he became king in Tiryns.So, again, Mycenae (Greek: Mukênai) is the name of a site in the Peloponnese, not of a people. The Mycenaeans (Greek: Mukênaioi) were the inhabitants of that city, e.g., Agamemon and Menelaos, born in Mycenae are called Mycnaean:
Agamemnôn de kai Menelaos hoi Mukênaioi estrateusanto sun Argeioisi kai toisi alloisin Achaiois tês eis Ilion polin Priamou tou Phrugos stratêgiêsIn modern times, Mycenaean is often used as a collective name for the Bronze Age Greek people/civilization, because the citadel at Mycenae was perhaps the most important center of that civilization.
Agamemnon and Menelaos, the Mycenaeans, went to war with the Argives and the other Achaeans against Ilium during the rule of Priam, the Phrygian. (Cephalion Hist. et Rhet., Fragmenta. Fragment 1a line 46)
Arthur Kemp alleges:
So, the Manilius quote translates directly as “the foreign nations who have dark complexions” - and, not, as Pontikos’ downright silly and feeble explanation goes, those who get sweaty working out in a gym!
It appears that Arthur Kemp has become a Latinist, but for the moment, let us see how a real Latinist translates the passage in question (Astronomica / Manilius ; with an English translation by G. P. Goold Cambridge, Mass. : Harvard University Press, 1977)
perque coloratas subtilis Graecia gentes
gymnasium praefert vultu fortisque palaestras
|Quick-witted Greece proclaims in the tanned faces of its peoples the gymnasium and the manly wrestling-schools.|
There is not much more that needs to be said. Clearly, scholarly opinion agrees with me and disagrees with Kemp. Kemp also attempts to “prove” that gentes means “foreigners” in this passage. gentes is of course the plural of gens [Lewis & Short entry] which has multiple meanings, including “race, nation, people” and rarely foreigners, as opposed to Romans (see link above). Arthur Kemp may want it to mean “foreigners,” but the meaning of the passage is quite clear, as per Goold’s quoted translation.
In case there is any doubt about the meaning of coloratus, I cite the opinion of German scholar Stefan Zimmer (University of Bonn), from his review of John V. Day, "Indo-European Origins : the antropological evidence" which appears in the 2002 volume of the Journal of Indo-European Studies:
He depends far too much on his secondary (or rather tertiary) sources, a fact which causes many pseudo-problems, such as the Silures with faces colorati, allegedly "swarthy" in Tacitus (p. 65). Latin dictionaries generally agree that the form (literally "colored") meant “reddish, sunburnt, tanned.”
Finally, I will inform Arthur Kemp that Greeks exercized in the nude in open air, and they were tanned because of being exposed to the sun, not because they got “sweaty.”
Before finishing, I direct the reader to an online version of the Latin text of M. Manilii Astronomica.
Arthur Kemp writes:
But more importantly, Pontikos has once again deliberately ignored the wealth of evidence in March of the Titans and elsewhere, which shows very clearly the dark and fair haired nature of that ancient civilization's population - once again supporting the Nordic/Mediterranean fusion which gave birth to Classical Grecian civilization.
BLONDS IN ANCIENT GREEK ART
Fair-haired youth, depicted on a fifth-century BC, Athenian white-ground pyxis. (J. Pinsent, Greek Mythology, Twickenham: Newnes Books, 1986, p. 122.)
What Kemp forgets to mention is that the blond youth is actually the young Paris, the Trojan hero, not a Greek! Not only does he fail to mention this, but he also seems not to be aware of the simple, and well-known fact (John R. Baker, Race, 1974) that hair darkens with age in Caucasoids. Here is the complete scene which Kemp has edited to isolate the blond Paris:
The reader can readily see that the fair Paris is framed by two figures with adult features, most notably beards, who are fully brunet. The identity of the one on the right is not known, but the left one, carrying the messenger's staff is the Greek god Hermes.
Here is the entire caption for this vase (Greek art. Text by Francois Chamoux. [Translated from the French by Mary Ilford and Inge Sonn] Imprint Greenwich, Conn., New York Graphic Society )